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Hi there !

Do any of you know bands that use serialism as method of composition (with usual guitar/bass/drums instrumentation) ?

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September 25th, 2011, 6:15 pm
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I think BLUT AUS NORD experimented a bit with that on the MoRT album... but I might remember wrong. It was at least 12-tone, some of it. Will look into it and see if I can find any...

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I think they used microtonal music instead of atonal that still use semitones

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Ah yes, that's right. They defretted their guitars and started sliding around...

Now I remembered what I was thinking about - ABSTRUSE. He's really into serialism, aleatoric sounds (computer-generated et c), and so forth. Check out my re3views + interview with the guy on the main page, even if you don't like the music he has a lot of interesting ideas and techniques. Made up his on scale, among other things.

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Thanks.
I will check it out

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As light dies uses serialism in some songs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwk30wNRjDU
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August 21st, 2013, 12:49 pm
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Ron Jarzombek (Spastik Ink, Blotted Science) uses some serialism and 12-tone techniques in his compositon, or at least something similar - see his outliles at his website : http://www.ronjarzombek.com/

I actually use a heavily modified version of "serialism" to come up with a lot of riffs and chord progressions - here's a brief expalnation from my blog/website:

Word/Phrase Composition Technique
Dimaension X is also known to have created his own method of music composition, using techniques similar to serialism or the twelve-tone technique. Known as "Word/Phrase Composition", notes or chord progressions are "randomly" created from words and phrases. Each letter of the alphabet corresponds to a musical note, octave root, or rest/space/sustain. The notes are used as a "starting point", and are not necessarily the final choices for chord progressions or basslines/riffs.
The following chart outlines the basic alphabetic letter/note relationship:
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
A B C D E F G A - A B C D E F G A - A B C D E F G A
(the 2nd A would be the higher octave root note, the dash " - " would be no note, therefore a rest or sustain of the former note) The name "Lanciani" would create the following note choices:
L A N C I A N I
C A E C - A E -
Therefore, a chord progression of C, Am7, Em, C may be used in a song, or perhaps the notes C,A,E,C, (rest), A, E (rest) would be used as a bassline for a solo section. The actual use is entirely up to the composer, along with the music style. The notes/chords are merely meant to be used as a "jump-start" to get the creative "juices" flowing. The rest is up to the individuality of the composer.

Many of the albums in the discography were composed in this method, including "Bryson's Universe", "Deus Fetor Pt.2", and most of "Leprosia Doom".

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Azathoth wrote:


Was it in this song ? Doesn't feel quite like it.
Or is it just for some parts ?

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Dimaension X wrote:
I actually use a heavily modified version of "serialism" to come up with a lot of riffs and chord progressions - here's a brief expalnation from my blog/website:

Word/Phrase Composition Technique
Dimaension X is also known to have created his own method of music composition, using techniques similar to serialism or the twelve-tone technique. Known as "Word/Phrase Composition", notes or chord progressions are "randomly" created from words and phrases. Each letter of the alphabet corresponds to a musical note, octave root, or rest/space/sustain. The notes are used as a "starting point", and are not necessarily the final choices for chord progressions or basslines/riffs.
The following chart outlines the basic alphabetic letter/note relationship:
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
A B C D E F G A - A B C D E F G A - A B C D E F G A
(the 2nd A would be the higher octave root note, the dash " - " would be no note, therefore a rest or sustain of the former note) The name "Lanciani" would create the following note choices:
L A N C I A N I
C A E C - A E -
Therefore, a chord progression of C, Am7, Em, C may be used in a song, or perhaps the notes C,A,E,C, (rest), A, E (rest) would be used as a bassline for a solo section. The actual use is entirely up to the composer, along with the music style. The notes/chords are merely meant to be used as a "jump-start" to get the creative "juices" flowing. The rest is up to the individuality of the composer.

Many of the albums in the discography were composed in this method, including "Bryson's Universe", "Deus Fetor Pt.2", and most of "Leprosia Doom".


Quite interesting !
How do you deal with #/b ? Is your system dependent of tonality ?

I recently had a interest in how to transcribe words in music (I only tried Morse code so far). I heard about Ravel doing so, but I don't know what system he used.

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once in a while you have to have some bearing on real time cause otherwise you become complete fucken nonsense and people start saying what that all was about

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I'm not sure I follow. What do you mean ?

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have an example the sort of a "field recording" being the judge,

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I'm sorry but I'm completely lost.
What does any of this has to do with serialism ? I can't see your point

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Hello there, I just bumped into this interesting thread and I wonder what does serialism mean? Is it another name for atonal music, a continuous sequence providing a series 12 notes in a row or is it something more? I didn't even know this kind of method existed to be honest!


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From my understanding, that's it basically.
The main concern is the row. 12 tones in whatever order. You can't repeat a note, you have to use the 11 others before. But you can change the order in some ways : Retrograde, Inversion, Retrograde-Inversion.

You can also extend the serialism to rhythm, dynamics, etc...

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